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20 Questions with the Sound Devices 633
by Trew Audio
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Since the release of the Sound Devices 633, we’ve noticed a number of questions that customers are consistently asking. I’ve addressed the top 20 FAQs below. If you have any further questions, please contact a member of our sales staff or e-mail me directly.
1) Where in the signal path are the A/D and D/A converters placed?
A/D conversion occurs immediately after the hardware limiters on channels 1-3 and right after the input on 4-6. The signal remains in the digital realm until it hits the D/A converter directly before the outputs.
2) What are the details of the unit’s high-pass filters and limiters?
The 633’s unique high-pass filter circuit occurs before any amplification of the signal, resulting in higher headroom for the remaining audio. Each channel’s HPF can be adjusted in 10 Hz increments from 80 to 240 Hz. The roll-off has a compound slope that varies depending on where it’s set.
The 633 has two types of onboard limiters, analog and digital. The analog input limiters affect only signal passing through the mic preamps on channels 1-3. These limiters are pre-fader with a fixed threshold of +16dBu, 20:1 ratio, 1 mS attack and 500 mS release. The analog input limiters are always on, protecting the A/D converter from overages.
There are post-fader digital limiters on each input, the L/R mix bus, and the Aux 1/2 output bus. These limiters can be globally switched on/off via the software menu. They have a 20:1 ratio with 1 mS attack and 500 mS release. You can select either a hard knee or soft knee reduction curve. The default threshold is +16dBu, but they can be adjusted from +4dBu to +18dBu.
3) Can inputs 4, 5, and 6 be panned within software menu?
Yes, but inputs 4, 5, and 6 can only be centered or hard panned. However, if you have the recorder set to capture ISO tracks, they can always be panned freely in post.
4) Does the 633 support Channel Linking? And which channels can be linked?
Channels 1-2 and 5-6 can be linked as stereo pairs or M/S pairs. This also links their respective limiters together to preserve imaging during gain reduction. The channels will retain separate trim and HPF controls, while their fader level and stereo balance will be linked to the dials of either channel 1 or 5.
5) Does the 633 have a 32-bit floating point DSP?
No.
6) Can the 633 simultaneously record WAV and MP3 files?
Yes.
The 633’s default setting is to record all 10 tracks (6 ISOs, L/R, Aux 1/2) to a polyphonic wav file that is mirrored on both media cards. You can easily set one of the cards to record either a stereo MP3 of the L/R bus or the Aux 1/2 bus.
Other options include recording polyphonic WAVs of just the 6 ISO tracks, just the L/R bus, or just the Aux 1/2 bus. You can also set it to record mono WAV files of all 10 tracks or just the 6 ISOs.
Simultaneous MP3 recording cannot be done when the 633 is recording at sample rates above 48 kHz.
7) Additional concessions at 88.2, 96, or 192 kHz sampling rates:
The maximum pre-roll time reduces from 6 seconds to 3 seconds in 88.2 or 96 kHz, and further to 1 second in 192 kHz.
In 88.2 and 96 kHz, the limiters and high-pass filters function as normal. However, in 192 kHz, all digital limiters are disabled, leaving only the 3 analog input limiters in effect. The high-pass filters can either be set at 50 Hz or disengaged.
7a) CORRECTION: High Sample Rate Recording
The Sound Devices 633 has a maximum recommended recording count of 8 tracks at 88.2 / 96 kHz and 6 tracks at 192 kHz. This count can be made up of any of the 633’s recordable tracks (ISOs 1-6, L/R mix, Aux 1/2), however, it is not a hard and fast track limit. If you try to record more than the recommended track count, a system warning will appear, but you can press OK and move on.
Be aware that depending on the quality and speed of your recording media, you may experience problems defying the recommended track count. But if you have top quality media, it can be done without issue.
8) How does the timecode circuitry compare to that of the 664?
It is identical.
9) Does the 633 have Word Clock I/O?
No.
10) Does the 633 support Multi-Unit Linking?
No.
11) What is its total battery life?
With AA batteries and two Sony L-type cells installed, the 633 can be in use for 30+ hours.
12) When the 633 is plugged into an external DC power supply, will it charge the Sony L-type cells?
No.
13) Does the 633 have Mix Assist?
No.
14) Does the 633 offer T power?
No.
15) Will Sound Devices be releasing a CL3 Attachment for the 633?
As of now, no.
16) How do you connect an external keyboard?
The 633 comes with a USB B-to-A adapter, allowing you to plug any standard USB keyboard into the USB connector on the unit’s right panel.
17) Do you need to unplug the external keyboard to change media cards?
Yes. The media door cannot be opened with a USB cable plugged in.
18) Will the 633’s LCD be visible in bright conditions?
The 633 has a daylight mode that changes the LCD’s color scheme to be more visible in direct sunlight.
19) Is the 633 moisture resistant?
Yes, the 633 has a splash-proof front panel and sealed connections allowing you to safely record in a drizzle.
20) What is the size and weight difference between the 633 and similar units?
20a) (Updated 12/11/2013)
This quick video compares the 633’s footprint with other popular
models.
One of our readers pointed out an oddity in the dimension specs we gave in the comparison video. I had used the manufacturer specs and even managed to copy and convert them correctly, so why the discrepancy?
I broke out my trusty tape measure and discovered that Zaxcom measures the chassis of their recorders, but not any protruding connectors. Sound Devices measures everything, which I think is a better way to go.
Here are the W x D x H dimensions, as painstakingly hand-measured by me:
Sound Devices 664: 12.88 x 7.75 x 2.31″ (32.72 x 19.69 x 5.87 cm)
mfr weight spec: 4.75 lbs (2.15 kg)Zaxcom Nomad: 10.63 x 7.63 x 2.13″ (27 x 19.38 x 5.41 cm)
mfr weight spec: 3.8 lbs (1.72 kg)Sound Devices 633: 9.25 x 5.63 x 2.13″ (23.5 x 14.3 x 5.41 cm)
mfr weight spec: 2.56 lbs (1.16 kg)Zaxcom Maxx: 8.56 x 6.13 x 2″ (21.74 x 15.57 x 5.08 cm)
mfr weight spec: 2.5 lbs (1.13 kg)
I hope this article has answered some of your questions. Again, we’re here to help, so don’t hesitate to contact Trew Audio with any further queries. And don’t forget to follow us on Facebook and Twitter!
– Chris Frasco
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Thank you.
It is possible to plug wireless receptors in channel 4,5,6?
How can I adjusts volume with this wireless in channels 4,5,6?
Hi Mario,
Yes. The software trim on inputs 4, 5, and 6 ranges from -30 to +16dB, and the fader can add an additional 16dB of gain. That being said, most professional wireless receivers will have a variable output level. For example, the Lectrosonics UCR411A can be adjusted in 1dB increments from -50dBu to +5dBu. Between those three stages, it should be quite easy to get a clean and healthy signal level.
Connect the output of your wireless receiver to the TA3 input on channel 4, 5, or 6. Depending on what kind of output your wireless system has, you may need to purchase a cable that terminates in a TA3-female connector. From there, tune to taste! I'd begin with everything at 0dB, adjusting the wireless receiver output first, the trim second, and fine-tuning with the fader.
I have tested the 4,5,6 line level ta3 inputs with Lectrosonics 411A's at +5dbu and there is more than enough gain there to smoke your ears for good. I find it is actually a little better than the 664's 7-12 Lin in's.
Hello,
You may leave the track inputs 1 and 2 in microphone signal and 3, 4, 5 and 6 on line inputs?
The idea is track one, boom, track 2, wireless mic, 3,4,5 and 6 line imputs from a mixer.
Thanks for the reply and greetings.
CJ
Hi Carlos,
Inputs 1 - 3 are mic/line switchable, so yes, you may have inputs 1 and 2 at mic level while 3-6 are on line level.
Thanks for your question!
hi output x1 x2 send out?
1-2 to main out (with pan l r)
x1 3 -4 (balanced or unbalanced) or 5-6?
x2 3-4 or 5-6 or tape out
for me set up need 4 direct out its possible?
Hi Luis,
If I understand your question correctly, you're asking if it's possible to take 4 balanced direct outputs from the Sound Devices 633. The answer is yes. Here is the easiest way I can think of. For the sake of symmetry, I'm going to use a pair of mic inputs and a pair of line inputs. You can apply this to whichever inputs you like.
Pan channel 1 hard left. Pan channel 2 hard right. In their respective PFL menus, disable the X1 and X2 routing. Make sure none of your other tracks are routed to LR Mix. The main XLR outputs are now post-fader direct outputs.
In their respective PFL menus, pan channel 4 left and channel 5 right. Route channel 4 to X1 and channel 5 to X2. Pre- or post-fader is your choice. Double-check that these tracks are not routed to the LR Mix. The TA3 X1 and X2 outputs are now direct outputs.
If you're also using channels 3 and 6, make sure they're not routed to the LR mix or the Aux buses. And luckily, the 633's monitoring menu makes it easy to send any combination of tracks to your headphones.
Hope this helps!
I have a 722T. Should I upgrade to this? What would I lose? How do the preamps compare?
Hi Eugene,
I think it'd be best to talk to one of our salespeople about whether you should upgrade. A decision like that deserves a conversation about your specific workflow.
The preamps in the 633 sound great, very clean and quiet!
I think you got some measurements wrong in the video: How is the Nomad only 1.1 cm wider than the 633? That doesn't make sense.
Hi Rasmus,
I used the mfr specs for the dimensions. I double-checked that I copied, converted, and spoke them all correctly. Thankfully, it all matched up.
I pulled out the tape measure and here's what I found: Sound Devices measures protrusions, Zaxcom does not.
The 633 is 9.25" (23.5 cm) wide when you take the battery and media doors into account. Its average width, however, is more around 8.75" (22.23 cm.)
The Nomad's chassis is 9.9" (25.15 cm) wide, but with protruding connectors taken into account, the unit has a maximum width of 10.63" (27 cm)
I'm gonna side with Sound Devices on measurement style. For the purposes of fitting a mixer into a bag or case, I want to know the actual clearance I'll need.
Good eye! I'll go nuts with the tape measure and publish a correction later on today.
-Chris Frasco
You say the 633 does not offer T power. According to the tech specs on the Sound Devices website the 633 offers 12v phantom power through 680 ohm resistors to any of the analog inputs. Is that different from T power?
Hi Tom,
While also requiring 12v power, T-power is not the same as Phantom power, and the two are not interchangeable.
Sound Devices has a great write-up about it, and how it differs from Phantom Power. They say it better than we could, so we'll send you their way:
http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/mixers/powering-mixers/t-powering/
Take care!
Thanks for that clarification about T-power.
So it seems phantom power and T-power are pretty much opposites in the way they supply power - T-power supplies power across pins 2 and 3 and phantom power supplies power equally across pins 1-2 and pins 1-3 with no power across 2-3.
That explains why the one time I forgot to hook up the T-power adapter to my Sennheiser MKH816T I got no signal at all (and thankfully no damage!)
Is it true the sound devices 633 can't do a mono summed return? How do you do this if it's possible?
Cheers
Chris
Neither I nor the transcriber I just worked with can read the MP3 time code using QuickTime 7 Pro. I'm recording at 24/48 .WAV poly to Isos on the CF card and 128 kbs to L/R on the SD card. QT7 can see a rounded off start code in the Inspector and Properties windows but no running code. The drop-down box around elapsed time is not there. Thanks in advance, ab
Hi,
I'm worried about using inputs 4 to 6 with my wireless microphones because I did not see if there was the same input limiters as for the XLR 1 to 3 inputs. What do you think?
Thanks